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US sent severed fingers of Iraq hostages
The weekly magazine News said on Wednesday that five fingers had been received and that DNA analysis had shown them to come from Nussbaumer and Americans Josh Munns, Jonathon Cote, Paul Johnson Reuben and John R. Young.
The magazine said three messages had been sent by kidnappers but no financial or political demands had been received by Austria.
Lets see if we can get a line on this, free for all, then we will sort out leads.
Post leads info here.
Lets start with every where this is posted in Islamic forums.
#1) cut fingers off....( Needs better translation, or keywords ).. قطع الاصابع من
#2) hostage's fingers..( I got bots on this one.g )..رهينه الأصاب
Check the english speaking forums also.
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TARGET:
Find the news story about this and the earliest date and time posted.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/12/AR2008031201005.html - 15 hours ago - Reuters
Wednesday, March 12, 2008; 7:44 AM
Tried to check the "NEWS" website to see when THEY posted the story as they seem to be the original source -- it's in German and I can't get it to translate to English with Google -- any help would be appreciated....
http://www.news.at/magazin/
Found the story -- http://www.networld.at/index.html?/channels/15/main.shtml -- doesn't seem to be a post time though
I couldn't get a good date from page info or Graphics, German author link on page , some body speak German email him see if you can get date time of post.
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Any thing posted earlier than this date/time may have inside info.
Looking for an Insider, a big mouth braggard showing off. G
Any other vectors/paradigms please post them
Other news sources:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0312iraq-hostages0312-ON.html
http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/781016.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/12/AR2008031203793.html
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1395100.php/DNA_evidence_of_Iraq_hostage_received_by_US_Austria_says
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Looking for the source of these photos?
http://www.save5.net/images/blackout_edited.jpg THEY EDITED PHOTO?
Might be local paper in IRAQ?
Wissam Hisham: Translator:
Withrow, a computer specialist who worked for JPI Worldwide, was kidnapped separately at a phony checkpoint near the southern Iraqi city of Basra on Jan. 5, 2007, according to news reports. Little information is publicly available about his abduction; the bodies of his Iraqi translator and driver were discovered the next day, was this Hasham?
There was no word on a fifth contractor who was seized with them, John Young. None of the fingers belonged to him,??
What does sending the fingers signify?
"...I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” - Qur’an Sura 8:12 - Yusuf Ali Translation
Found here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020291.php
"30-40" armed men, including at least four wearing suits who appeared to be in charge.
"The National Islamic Resistance in Iraq: The Farqan (Quran) Brigades takes responsibility for the kidnapping in Safwan, Basra."
Lets get something on "Farqan (Quran) Brigades".
Video of victims:
http://news.orf.at/video/iptvpopup.html?iraq_hostage_video.wmv
Fingers matrix:HERE:
Google search engine for 37 terrorist sites and forums, only searches these terrorist sites:
HERE:
US sent severed fingers of Iraq hostages
The weekly magazine News said on Wednesday that five fingers had been received and that DNA analysis had shown them to come from Nussbaumer and Americans Josh Munns, Jonathon Cote, Paul Johnson Reuben and John R. Young.
The magazine said three messages had been sent by kidnappers but no financial or political demands had been received by Austria.
Lets see if we can get a line on this, free for all, then we will sort out leads.
Post leads info here.
Lets start with every where this is posted in Islamic forums.
#1) cut fingers off....( Needs better translation, or keywords ).. قطع الاصابع من
#2) hostage's fingers..( I got bots on this one.g )..رهينه الأصاب
Check the english speaking forums also.
G
TARGET:
Find the news story about this and the earliest date and time posted.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/12/AR2008031201005.html - 15 hours ago - Reuters
Wednesday, March 12, 2008; 7:44 AM
Tried to check the "NEWS" website to see when THEY posted the story as they seem to be the original source -- it's in German and I can't get it to translate to English with Google -- any help would be appreciated....
http://www.news.at/magazin/
Found the story -- http://www.networld.at/index.html?/channels/15/main.shtml -- doesn't seem to be a post time though
I couldn't get a good date from page info or Graphics, German author link on page , some body speak German email him see if you can get date time of post.
g
Any thing posted earlier than this date/time may have inside info.
Looking for an Insider, a big mouth braggard showing off. G
Any other vectors/paradigms please post them
Other news sources:
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0312iraq-hostages0312-ON.html
http://www.sacbee.com/101/story/781016.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/12/AR2008031203793.html
http://news.monstersandcritics.com/middleeast/news/article_1395100.php/DNA_evidence_of_Iraq_hostage_received_by_US_Austria_says
LINKS Being vetted:
Continue:
Looking for the source of these photos?
http://www.save5.net/images/blackout_edited.jpg THEY EDITED PHOTO?
Might be local paper in IRAQ?
Wissam Hisham: Translator:
Withrow, a computer specialist who worked for JPI Worldwide, was kidnapped separately at a phony checkpoint near the southern Iraqi city of Basra on Jan. 5, 2007, according to news reports. Little information is publicly available about his abduction; the bodies of his Iraqi translator and driver were discovered the next day, was this Hasham?
There was no word on a fifth contractor who was seized with them, John Young. None of the fingers belonged to him,??
What does sending the fingers signify?
"...I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them.” - Qur’an Sura 8:12 - Yusuf Ali Translation
Found here: http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/020291.php
"30-40" armed men, including at least four wearing suits who appeared to be in charge.
"The National Islamic Resistance in Iraq: The Farqan (Quran) Brigades takes responsibility for the kidnapping in Safwan, Basra."
Lets get something on "Farqan (Quran) Brigades".
Video of victims:
http://news.orf.at/video/iptvpopup.html?iraq_hostage_video.wmv
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| desertsnow | Looked this over again | 1 | Mar 24 2008, 5:26 PM EDT by Anonymous | |
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Thread started: Mar 21 2008, 2:14 PM EDT
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In 11-06, tthe time of the kidnapping, al-Furqan Brigades (will call alFB) was part of 1920 Rev. Brigades (will call 1920RB). 'Furqan' means Koran, and schools, etc. are named that, spelled many ways. Other names: Jaysh al-Furqan, Furqan Army.
In about 7-07 alFB split from 1920RB. Reasons for split:1920RB was supposedly cooperating with the US, was involving itself in the political process, and was willing to negotiate before final victory. Can find no later info on alFB. The environment for jihadis after 7-07 was murky, with infighting, betrayals, they were kidnapping and torturing each other, shifting alliances, etc. Plus more US action. Possibly they no longer exist as a separate entity, if so they are very dark. We don't know who 'inherited' the captives, probably 1920RB as split was after the capture. 1920RB not into atrocities as much as al Qaida groups. Consider the difficulty of keeping 4 to 6 experienced soldiers captive in this environment. People would know, and could inform authorities or a competing group. While the captives may have had some value to 1920RB in negotiations, they might have been attractive to an al Qaida group for another wonderful video. The convoy was 37 semis, 19 of these were stolen, some later recovered. 19 loads is a lot of stuff. What was the cargo? I don't know how to find out. If the cargo was the real target of the attack, it might provide a lead. This might explain the guys in suits, not needed for a kidnapping, but might need to decide which loads to take. There was broad collusion for the attack. Besides the translator, 4 attackers were recognized as previous Crescent employees. They left survivors rather than kill them. Route had been safe for months. The expected Iraqi guards were missing. Plus the suits. It would be very interesting to know what the stolen cargo was, and where it went.
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| desertsnow | update and compilation of news articles (page: 1 2) | 20 | Mar 13 2008, 8:51 PM EDT by geraldanthro | |
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Thread started: Mar 13 2008, 3:47 AM EDT
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I don't feel ready for the forums, afraid until we get some training that I could foul up. So instead -
The fingers belonged to Nussbaumer, Munns, Cote, Reuben, and Ronald J. Withrow, -> not Young. Withrow was kidnapped at a different time and place than the rest. There is still no sign of Young. It appears the fingers were received several weeks ago in February, and the US probably had no intention of releasing the info, but the Austrian foreign minister let it out. The families of the victims had been told weeks ago that some DNA from the victims had turned up, but no more detail than that. The SacBee called Munns Sr. and then the story started breaking. The families don't know any more than we do at this point, saying that the FBI declined to reveal more in order to keep the investigation secure. The fingers were partially decomposed when "US officials" received them in Iraq. "There's no way to accurately depict at this point whether it was prior to or after; scientifically I don't think they've been able to determine that," said a source familiar with the investigation. "It's possible they were removed while they were still alive and possible they were removed after they were dead." How they were delivered or obtained is not revealed. As you know, no demands of any kind have been made by the kidnappers. Munn's mother says at her website that the kidnappers were "The Farqan (Quran) Brigades" or The National Islamic Resistance in Iraq. ( now called the 1920 Revolution Brigades.) But several sources dispute that, and most articles or information I found say it is not known who the kidnappers are. Found nothing earlier than the 12th, could not translate News either. |
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| geraldanthro | news page analysis | 2 | Mar 13 2008, 3:10 PM EDT by geraldanthro | |
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Thread started: Mar 13 2008, 2:33 AM EDT
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Drilled a little deeper and this is a reach but there is a link - /nw1/css/base.css?080304 in the page. Thinking they might be passing the date as a parameter to change the style each day, but nothing in their css looks like it will handle the date.
At any rate, not sure why you would pass a date as a parametr to a style sheet but assuming this is doing something, eurodate yy/mm/dd format means that date is March 4, 2008. Too much of a reach? F
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